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We established the SMBC to collect the input from YOU, to put it into a collective representation of where the Sedona mountain biking community as a whole is on each issue, and to advocate on behalf of the Sedona mountain biking community.

You simply have to decide to get involved in the process. It is that simple.  Vote Now on the Issues that were identified as important to the membership:

Remember… Sedona is YOUR mountain bike community and advocacy is a bottom up movement. SMBC invites you to offer your input on the issues you find important in Sedona.  Don’t hesitate, jump in and be heard.

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15 Responses to Community

  1. Chuck J says:

    I just sent this to the fs email on the most recent post. FIgured I’d post it here – go Sedona MTB!

    I am not a resident of Sedona – I am a frequent visitor from New England to your beautiful region. I’ve followed the situation in Sedona vis a vis mountain bike access and want to throw my “2 cents” in regarding the access/closure issue being debated.

    I can’t speak to the details of the trails as well as the locals, but I can speak to the need to keep a balanced approach in considering the recreational use of our nation’s land and trails. Every time I hear of a closure exclusively to bikes I think of how it’s a vote against greatest forms of exercise ever devised for experiencing nature in a positive, healthy fashion. No noise, low impact, no excrement (hopefully!), just an increased human-powered appreciation for the amazing topography and variations that exist in almost every region.

    Yes, some trails are over or poorly-ridden, or poorly designed, and management over time is necessary, re-routing is one solution – but I submit that bikes were, are, and will be in the future, one of the reasons that kids (like mine!) will grow up to be supporters and contributors to our nation’s great outdoor maintenance efforts. Please don’t shut them, or me out of another visit to Sedona.

    Please don’t discriminate against bikes and the people who love riding them. Find a way to turn the cyclist’s passion into something good for all. Thanks for reading.

    Sincerely,
    Chuck Johnson

  2. Joe Hazel says:

    Hey, speaking of staying informed with regard to local issues how about a plug on the website for the new Flagstaff trails plan? We need letters written to the FS in support of the project.

    Thanks, Joe

  3. don says:

    Anytime I hear absolutes like “I have been here 3 weeks and in that time not one mountain biker has yielded the right of way”, I have to question the validity of the comment. Bikes should yield to hikers and horses, and not all do. Education is a remedy, but even then not everyone will comply with every guideline or rule. This past 3 weeks is in the middle of the busiest part of the year here in Sedona for visitors. The shear number of users (all types) on the trail during peak season, combined with a reduction in legal mileage (approximately 35 miles in the past 60 days), results in over crowding and user conflict. Too add to this, the local managing agency likes to keep the trails as primitive as they can. I like primitive, but there are a lot of blind corners and poor site lines as a direct result of this preference. This adds even more to user conflict due to less time to react between users traveling in an opposing direction. The SMBC has been looking for ways to help alleviate some of these issues. One method which has worked in other locations is to use bear bells on bikes when traveling in congested areas, or in primarily downhill areas where speed differences between different user groups is greater. I have tried it, and it helped to provide awareness for hikers prior to visually seeing one another. Based on some testing, the SMBC bought these bells for our members to use. We will expand the program if we see good results. If a hiker or equestrian absolutely cannot stand to see bikes on the trail, there are literally hundreds of miles of trails which go into the wilderness surrounding Sedona with easy access. Since bikes are not allowed in wilderness areas, you would not have that source of angst. Since we are not allowed in wilderness areas, we have no choice but to remain concentrated on the remaining non-wilderness trails around Sedona. You have choices. We don’t.

  4. John Finchg says:

    I personally like to stop and talk to hikers about their hiking experience. I find that a lot of the out of town hikers don’t know the mountain bikers built a lot of the really cool hiking trails like Mescal, Chuckwagon, Hiline, Hangover, Aerie and many of the Soldiers Wash trails.

    They also don’t know the right of way rules are a courtesy not a law, so they shouldn’t always expect less courteous riders to always stop for them. I find it amazing that the hiker said no mountain bikers ever yielded for them.

    It’s too bad that all the really cool mountain biking trails (like those listed above) that were built by the mountain bikers couldn’t just be mountain biking trails and the hikers could go out and build their own trails, that mountain bikers would have no interest in riding. For some reason it seems like many hikers prefer to hike trails built by mountain bikers.

    It would be cool if the equestrians could also build some of their own trails, I know their are some in Carroll Canyon area and out in the area west of the Western Civilization trail that they have all to themselves. It’s too bad they can’t get the FS to allow them to build more.

    Since the FS closed thirty miles of popular trails, I keep wondering how many miles of new popular mountain biking trails the FS is going to allow to be built in the next ten years and whose skill set are they going to cater to?

  5. Bryan Rudes says:

    I am a hiker from New York State, I have been hiking in Sedona for three weeks. I know that bikers are supposed to yield the right of way to hikers. I have encountered numerous bikers and not one yielded the right of way, and I have narrowly avoided being hit twice. I am very glad that mountain is not allowed on most trails in the Adirondacks. I am in favor of Mountain Biking, but not the rude and possibly dangerous behavior on the trails in Sedona.

  6. admin says:

    Subscribers to the site can now upload files. We will take those and add them to the gallery or posts as needed. Thanks for the help on taking pictures. We look forward to seeing all those MTB images.

  7. Milan Geis says:

    where on sedonamtbclub.com can i post photos from the wednesday club ride?

  8. Jeff Beard says:

    I rode slim shady a few weeks ago and noticed some changes. I didn’t like it. In fairness to adjusting to something out of my “norm” I have ridden the trail again and again in both directions. I still do not like the changes. In an effort to “improve” the trail it has lost the flow that made it a great ride. I also believe that the reroute is more dangerous than the old route and lends more to potential injury. I believe that slim shady WAS a great trail. Now it is something else entirely…

  9. John Finch says:

    Thanks for the reply.

  10. admin says:

    Hey John,
    Don talked to Phil, and this visit to Hangover is getting rescheduled. When we get the new date it will be posted and we will attend. We hope that some experienced riders and trail-builders can make it as well. There is no official comment on the intentions of the Forest Service beyond them looking to expand legitimate recreational use in that area. We have heard similar feelings from others about this trail and totally agree. Our impression is that the Forest Service and Jennifer recognize the unique and special experience this trail offers to local and visitors. So we see this as a first look. Thanks for you comments and feedback.
    SMBC

  11. John Finch says:

    There is going to be a hike on the Hangover trail this Friday.

    Jenifer Burns has asked SMBC representatives to attend a hike up to hangover:

    Primary goal is for Heather and RRRD resource specialists to see the area, and to have discussion regarding current and future recreation use of the area.

    The last time I rode Highline the trail was in need of trail maintenance on several sections. Since the trail is around five years old, I don’t think it has had any maintenance done on it since it’s inception. Will there be representatives from the SMBC joining Heather to let her know the amount of maintenance done on the trail over the last five years and how the current sections in need of maintenance would be fixed?

    Since Phil is the the best trail builder in the SMBC organization will he be on the hike to give input from an experienced trail builders perspective?

    When I last rode the trail there was a family from Cresta Butte hiking the trail. There were three generations on the hike and grandma told me to thank whoever built the trail and that it was one of the highlights to their family’s vacation to Sedona.

    It would be a shame to loose this gem of a trail if Heather and other FS representative didn’t think the trail was maintainable for future users. I certainly would love to have permission to do some of the fixes to bring it back to a well maintained status. I know others who would also be interested in helping doing the heavy lifting.

  12. Serendipity says:

    I heard signage is an issue, as listed above with John F inch too. I have run into lots of people who are lost. It is hard to tell them where to go cause their are lots of connections. Biker guides are not supposed to use the non system trails so that is not a good option. Must not be using Johns maps I guess. I don’t see the polls reflecting this item. Maybe someone influential could get more people to vote on that item. I used mine up for adopting user built trails as I am never lost with the maps.

  13. John Finch says:

    Phil:
    First of all I want to thank you and the FS for having built that new system of trails near the Yavapai Vista (Point) parking lot. The five new trails (Hermit, Coconino, Basalt, Kabaib and Yavapai Vista trails will be a nice connector from Templeton to Slim Shady, plus a nice optional system of trails off of the highpoint of Slim Shady.

    I have gone out there and GPS’ed all those trails and have added them to my comprehensive hiking, trail running and mountain biking map. I believe I have the only map commercial or otherwise that even includes those new trails, and if anyone needs a copy I would be happy to send it to them via email for free.

    From the polling it looks like the adoption of user built trails is the most popular subject at this point in time. Since you are the most involved private individual in the adoption process can you give us a list of trails that have been officially adopted and a list of additional trails that will be adopted in the near future?

    Also when you mention the term loved to death can you be more specific which trails fall into that category, and if loved to death is a good thing or bad thing? I know a couple user built trails that are being ridden and hiked a lot and I am personally happy people are enjoying those trails. Since many of those trails are not official FS system trails no maintenance can be done on them at the present time.

    Is it your goal to have an experienced group of IMBA club members who are knowledgeable about Sedona type trail maintenance to go out and do maintenance on those user built of trails when they get adopted? Which of the most loved to death user-built trails to be adopted in the near future needs the most maintenance?

    During the recent IMBA trail building workshop how many of the attendees would you say are now trained to do the necessary trail maintenance that you think is necessary on the current well loved FS trails? Is there any additional training that individuals who missed the class might get by you or others to get them up to speed on your type of trail maintenance techniques or will individuals have to wait until IMBA comes back to town to do another Trail Work Shop?

    When I was out on the new Yavapai trail system I noted some temporary signage. Has there ever been any thought to having the voluntary IMBA members help out with temporary signage to give trail users a better idea where they are at and where the trail is heading to. When I worked with Jennifer out on the Aerie trail she had me put information stickers on carsonites to give users a better idea as to what trail they were on and how far it was to the next intersection. Is that type of information valuable or do you think it is not necessary. The new brown FS maps will accomplish a similar goal as long as they are located at every intersection with a you are here note posted on the map. Is it the intention of the FS to have a brown FS map at every intersection?

    John

  14. Phil Kincheloe says:

    There is talk of a FS closure to stop the prolifreration of unauthorized trails in the Sedona area.
    Threats to our trails :
    Building Ilegal trails
    Of trail travel by all users ( creates social trails)
    Unauthorized maint and repair. (dumbing down and brushing)
    Changing the character and feel of a trail.
    Excessive usage (loved to death)
    weathering and wear.
    I was in the army. I have done thousands of pushups for someone else’s inadiquacies. A very fast and effective way to gain compliance.
    Great point why should the ilegal actions of a few others limit your rights and freedoms? ( It shouldnt see above)
    You are right, the FS does not have the resources to manage all that is entrusted to them. The check is not in the mail. Our government is Broke.
    Your membership can make a difference to help protect against these very real threats. Together we are the trail foundation.
    Enjoy Enhance Preserve
    Phil Kincheloe

  15. Serendipity says:

    I am a regular MTB in town and have been here for several years. The thing that gets me is that it looks like a few people who nobody realy knows could totally destroy the trail opportunities for me and my friends. I don’t even know anybody who builds trails or breaks the law. What I do know though is that’s what everyone is talking about. It seems like the forest service is using a old military dicipline technique. “If one man screws up eveyone suffers.” Not sure this is the best way to efforce the rules fairly. I don’t go off trail, I don’t build trails. I just ride and am thankfull. Why should I be punished if a few old guys keep cutting up the forest??? Sounds like the forest service can’t do their own police work and are trying to manipulate us into a state of panick. Just my two sense…….

    SED rider

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